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		<title>By: Gwennaëlle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwennaëlle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not where you are and I don&#039;t think that I will ever be since my path of life is different but you wrote few things that rang a bell in me.

My issue about marriage does not come from the same source at all but until not so long ago I could relate to your feelings about the subject. I am talking about panic attacks and disgust and cry and anger and rejection for something that was supposed to be a commandment and yet would produce such negative reaction. I am impressed by what you wrote and shared.
I cannot give you any good advise because I don&#039;t think there is any. Just know that I found your blog yesterday and came back today to post this words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not where you are and I don&#8217;t think that I will ever be since my path of life is different but you wrote few things that rang a bell in me.</p>
<p>My issue about marriage does not come from the same source at all but until not so long ago I could relate to your feelings about the subject. I am talking about panic attacks and disgust and cry and anger and rejection for something that was supposed to be a commandment and yet would produce such negative reaction. I am impressed by what you wrote and shared.<br />
I cannot give you any good advise because I don&#8217;t think there is any. Just know that I found your blog yesterday and came back today to post this words.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just came across your blog and wanted to let you know what a strong person you are!  This life throws us many challenges, and you are taking them on better than most.  The temple is such an intimidating place, and I think it&#039;s even harder when you are struggling.  But you are there to make sacred covenants, and you are there because you have KEPT your covenants.  Just remember it&#039;s worth it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came across your blog and wanted to let you know what a strong person you are!  This life throws us many challenges, and you are taking them on better than most.  The temple is such an intimidating place, and I think it&#8217;s even harder when you are struggling.  But you are there to make sacred covenants, and you are there because you have KEPT your covenants.  Just remember it&#8217;s worth it!</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@TFD&lt;/strong&gt; - Actually I &lt;i&gt;will&lt;/i&gt; be in Europe.  Next week I am leaving to visit Ireland, Portugal, and France.  Wrong side of Europe, I realize, but and interesting coincidence all the same.

&lt;strong&gt;@Kengo B.&lt;/strong&gt; &amp; &lt;strong&gt;@Dichotomy&lt;/strong&gt; - I would never enter into a marriage unless I was comfortable with the idea and, as D. said, felt a &quot;strong attraction&quot; to the woman.  What I guess worried me the most is the realization that the Lord sometimes does ask us to do things that are 180 degrees from what we want to do.  This should come as no surprise to me, the fact that I have decided to stay in the church is sometimes extremely contrary to my personality, my desires, and sometimes even what I consider to be right.  Having the Lord play the &quot;I am God&quot; card was unnerving just the same.

&lt;strong&gt;@Marlo&lt;/strong&gt; - True.  Sometimes He doesn&#039;t actually require the sacrifice, but He still requires us to raise the knife.  On many levels, the effect is the same.

&lt;strong&gt;@M&lt;/strong&gt; - Don&#039;t worry, I&#039;m not easily offended.  Comment anytime.

&lt;strong&gt;@JennVan&lt;/strong&gt; - Welcome.  At least half of the people who read and comment on this blog are not gay.  Don&#039;t worry, some of my best friends are straight.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@TFD</strong> &#8211; Actually I <i>will</i> be in Europe.  Next week I am leaving to visit Ireland, Portugal, and France.  Wrong side of Europe, I realize, but and interesting coincidence all the same.</p>
<p><strong>@Kengo B.</strong> &#038; <strong>@Dichotomy</strong> &#8211; I would never enter into a marriage unless I was comfortable with the idea and, as D. said, felt a &#8220;strong attraction&#8221; to the woman.  What I guess worried me the most is the realization that the Lord sometimes does ask us to do things that are 180 degrees from what we want to do.  This should come as no surprise to me, the fact that I have decided to stay in the church is sometimes extremely contrary to my personality, my desires, and sometimes even what I consider to be right.  Having the Lord play the &#8220;I am God&#8221; card was unnerving just the same.</p>
<p><strong>@Marlo</strong> &#8211; True.  Sometimes He doesn&#8217;t actually require the sacrifice, but He still requires us to raise the knife.  On many levels, the effect is the same.</p>
<p><strong>@M</strong> &#8211; Don&#8217;t worry, I&#8217;m not easily offended.  Comment anytime.</p>
<p><strong>@JennVan</strong> &#8211; Welcome.  At least half of the people who read and comment on this blog are not gay.  Don&#8217;t worry, some of my best friends are straight.  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: TheFaithfulDissident</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheFaithfulDissident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if it&#039;s any consolation to you, my dad has probably broken your record at Target looking for the right jeans, plus has to make sure that no other store is selling them cheaper, which means a trip to Kohl&#039;s, JC Penney, Wal-Mart, and wherever else he can drag my mom to until she says finally says &quot;NO!&quot;  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if it&#8217;s any consolation to you, my dad has probably broken your record at Target looking for the right jeans, plus has to make sure that no other store is selling them cheaper, which means a trip to Kohl&#8217;s, JC Penney, Wal-Mart, and wherever else he can drag my mom to until she says finally says &#8220;NO!&#8221;  :)</p>
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		<title>By: TheFaithfulDissident</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheFaithfulDissident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, sounds like you&#039;ve been visited by the Dementors too.  (See my latest posting for what that means. :)  I can sort of relate with your temple experience.  When I got my endowments (when my brother was getting married) I lost it once I got to the Celestial room.  Everyone around me probably thought I was just having a powerful spiritual experience, but the truth is I was scared and just plain sad.  Scared because the session can be a bit freaky in some ways (which I was sort of prepared for), and sad because I felt like I wasn&#039;t ready for this -- especially not alone.  I&#039;m not really the crying type, but I shed a few tears at the sealing of my brother and his wife.  It was only partially due to joy.  The majority of it was sadness that it wasn&#039;t me and guilt about marrying someone who can&#039;t &quot;take me to the temple.&quot;  And yet, I had to cast out those negative thoughts, just like you did, because deep down I know he was the right man for me and whether or not he ever joins is actually pretty irrelevant.

I haven&#039;t been to the temple in a long time.  Not sure that I should.  But your attitude and guts almost gives me the kick in the pants to go back.  Wanna come to Europe?  I&#039;d go to a session or two with ya.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, sounds like you&#8217;ve been visited by the Dementors too.  (See my latest posting for what that means. :)  I can sort of relate with your temple experience.  When I got my endowments (when my brother was getting married) I lost it once I got to the Celestial room.  Everyone around me probably thought I was just having a powerful spiritual experience, but the truth is I was scared and just plain sad.  Scared because the session can be a bit freaky in some ways (which I was sort of prepared for), and sad because I felt like I wasn&#8217;t ready for this &#8212; especially not alone.  I&#8217;m not really the crying type, but I shed a few tears at the sealing of my brother and his wife.  It was only partially due to joy.  The majority of it was sadness that it wasn&#8217;t me and guilt about marrying someone who can&#8217;t &#8220;take me to the temple.&#8221;  And yet, I had to cast out those negative thoughts, just like you did, because deep down I know he was the right man for me and whether or not he ever joins is actually pretty irrelevant.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been to the temple in a long time.  Not sure that I should.  But your attitude and guts almost gives me the kick in the pants to go back.  Wanna come to Europe?  I&#8217;d go to a session or two with ya.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kengo Biddles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kengo Biddles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a gibbering basket case at my wedding to Miki.  We were having a civil ceremony performed in the Relief Society Room at her parent&#039;s church, but I was terrified--terrified because she knew my every secret (and had for months), yet still wanted to marry me--terrified because I was afraid it wouldn&#039;t work out, either because of me and my SSA/SGA, or because she couldn&#039;t handle it.

I should blog about this--but the point is, you seem to have the strength to do what the Lord requires.  If he&#039;s going to ask you to enter into a heterosexual marriage (which he may or may not), I believe he&#039;ll give you a partner like my Miki that can support you as you go through it--someone who will know you, everything, and still love and support you.

It may not be &quot;easy&quot;, but it is worth it.

And on a personal note, Clint, this post was something I needed--I may explain why at some future time, but I needed your honesty here.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a gibbering basket case at my wedding to Miki.  We were having a civil ceremony performed in the Relief Society Room at her parent&#8217;s church, but I was terrified&#8211;terrified because she knew my every secret (and had for months), yet still wanted to marry me&#8211;terrified because I was afraid it wouldn&#8217;t work out, either because of me and my SSA/SGA, or because she couldn&#8217;t handle it.</p>
<p>I should blog about this&#8211;but the point is, you seem to have the strength to do what the Lord requires.  If he&#8217;s going to ask you to enter into a heterosexual marriage (which he may or may not), I believe he&#8217;ll give you a partner like my Miki that can support you as you go through it&#8211;someone who will know you, everything, and still love and support you.</p>
<p>It may not be &#8220;easy&#8221;, but it is worth it.</p>
<p>And on a personal note, Clint, this post was something I needed&#8211;I may explain why at some future time, but I needed your honesty here.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: JennVan</title>
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		<dc:creator>JennVan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your amazing post. I&#039;m grateful to you for sharing your intimate thoughts about this topic. It sounds like you are on a great spiritual journey that only God knows the end of and that we are blessed to be along for the ride. Please continue to post these really insightful thoughts even if you feel you should only be funny. 
FWIW, I&#039;m not gay but am LDS. I am a marriage and family therapist and love watching people as they grow to understand who God wants them to be and the potential he sees in them. Not what I want them to be or others at church or even the prophet, but what God wants them to be and the path that he has prepared for them if they will choose to follow Him. Even if that means never marrying or marrying a woman or any number of other things in life God calls us to do. I love it and I&#039;m so excited for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your amazing post. I&#8217;m grateful to you for sharing your intimate thoughts about this topic. It sounds like you are on a great spiritual journey that only God knows the end of and that we are blessed to be along for the ride. Please continue to post these really insightful thoughts even if you feel you should only be funny.<br />
FWIW, I&#8217;m not gay but am LDS. I am a marriage and family therapist and love watching people as they grow to understand who God wants them to be and the potential he sees in them. Not what I want them to be or others at church or even the prophet, but what God wants them to be and the path that he has prepared for them if they will choose to follow Him. Even if that means never marrying or marrying a woman or any number of other things in life God calls us to do. I love it and I&#8217;m so excited for you!</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Clint,

I hope you&#039;ll get out of your couple-day dump.  

A lot of your concerns are difficult to address in part because they are so common and not just to gay people, at least with respect to not feeling any particular uplift from the temple.  For me, I started to just look at it as a kind of celestial bureaucracy of getting people&#039;s paperwork into the right place.  I don&#039;t know if this is right to say, but I&#039;m saying it anyway.  

As for the marriage issue: don&#039;t fall into Mormon checklist mode, which is particularly acute with the RM population.  You come out of the mission with your head full of lofty ideals, high expectations, and prospects that become a kind of subconscious checklist that, until it is all marked off, you can&#039;t feel complete.  I&#039;m not saying lofty ideals and high expectations are a bad thing, but as President Hinckley said regarding single persons, don&#039;t become obsessed.  

Just live your life and stay in tune with God.  If he wants you to marry, the choice will be clear.  His will will be clear.

In any case, I don&#039;t know who I am acting like Mr. Guru here.
But take it for what it&#039;s worth;
And if it&#039;s not much,
You can throw it in the trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Clint,</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;ll get out of your couple-day dump.  </p>
<p>A lot of your concerns are difficult to address in part because they are so common and not just to gay people, at least with respect to not feeling any particular uplift from the temple.  For me, I started to just look at it as a kind of celestial bureaucracy of getting people&#8217;s paperwork into the right place.  I don&#8217;t know if this is right to say, but I&#8217;m saying it anyway.  </p>
<p>As for the marriage issue: don&#8217;t fall into Mormon checklist mode, which is particularly acute with the RM population.  You come out of the mission with your head full of lofty ideals, high expectations, and prospects that become a kind of subconscious checklist that, until it is all marked off, you can&#8217;t feel complete.  I&#8217;m not saying lofty ideals and high expectations are a bad thing, but as President Hinckley said regarding single persons, don&#8217;t become obsessed.  </p>
<p>Just live your life and stay in tune with God.  If he wants you to marry, the choice will be clear.  His will will be clear.</p>
<p>In any case, I don&#8217;t know who I am acting like Mr. Guru here.<br />
But take it for what it&#8217;s worth;<br />
And if it&#8217;s not much,<br />
You can throw it in the trash.</p>
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		<title>By: Dichotomy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dichotomy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Elder Oaks, marriage to a woman is only &quot;appropriate&quot; if you &quot;feel a great attraction to a daughter of God&quot;.

Right now you can&#039;t imagine marrying a girl, but if you discovered one day that you actually feel a &quot;great attraction&quot; to a girl, would the idea of marrying her be so repugnant?

I highly doubt that God is going to just up and tell you one day that it&#039;s time to settle down and get married, so find a girl and get to the temple post haste. &lt;i&gt;If&lt;/i&gt; it&#039;s ever right for you to marry a girl, by the time you actually get the prompting that you should do so, you&#039;ll already know her and have developed feelings for her.

I dated my wife-to-be for most of our senior year of high school. We became best friends. We continued a semi-long-distance relationship while she went to college and I prepared for a mission, and we wrote each other while I was &quot;in the field&quot;.

About 20 months in, she wrote to let me know that she was getting confused about what she was supposed to do, because she was casually dating and had become friends with a guy who wanted to be more than friends with her. I got the letter and totally &lt;b&gt;freaked out!&lt;/b&gt; At the time, I didn&#039;t realize (or wouldn&#039;t admit to myself) that I was gay, but I think that I knew subconsciously that if she married someone else, my chance of ever finding someone I would even be able to consider marrying were slim-to-none.

I don&#039;t remember what I wrote her, but the way she tells it I practically proposed to her by mail. She was still single when I got home, and three months later we were married.

I&#039;ve wondered, since I &quot;came out&quot; to myself, if things would have gone differently if I had acknowledged my homosexuality before my mission. Would I have still gotten married? I&#039;ll never know, but I know that my wife and I are right for each other, so either it would have happened anyway, or God kept me in the dark about my sexuality so that I would not pass up the chance to marry her.

Anyway... I&#039;m rambling, but don&#039;t sweat the marriage thing. Either it will never happen, or you&#039;ll be glad it did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Elder Oaks, marriage to a woman is only &#8220;appropriate&#8221; if you &#8220;feel a great attraction to a daughter of God&#8221;.</p>
<p>Right now you can&#8217;t imagine marrying a girl, but if you discovered one day that you actually feel a &#8220;great attraction&#8221; to a girl, would the idea of marrying her be so repugnant?</p>
<p>I highly doubt that God is going to just up and tell you one day that it&#8217;s time to settle down and get married, so find a girl and get to the temple post haste. <i>If</i> it&#8217;s ever right for you to marry a girl, by the time you actually get the prompting that you should do so, you&#8217;ll already know her and have developed feelings for her.</p>
<p>I dated my wife-to-be for most of our senior year of high school. We became best friends. We continued a semi-long-distance relationship while she went to college and I prepared for a mission, and we wrote each other while I was &#8220;in the field&#8221;.</p>
<p>About 20 months in, she wrote to let me know that she was getting confused about what she was supposed to do, because she was casually dating and had become friends with a guy who wanted to be more than friends with her. I got the letter and totally <b>freaked out!</b> At the time, I didn&#8217;t realize (or wouldn&#8217;t admit to myself) that I was gay, but I think that I knew subconsciously that if she married someone else, my chance of ever finding someone I would even be able to consider marrying were slim-to-none.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember what I wrote her, but the way she tells it I practically proposed to her by mail. She was still single when I got home, and three months later we were married.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve wondered, since I &#8220;came out&#8221; to myself, if things would have gone differently if I had acknowledged my homosexuality before my mission. Would I have still gotten married? I&#8217;ll never know, but I know that my wife and I are right for each other, so either it would have happened anyway, or God kept me in the dark about my sexuality so that I would not pass up the chance to marry her.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230; I&#8217;m rambling, but don&#8217;t sweat the marriage thing. Either it will never happen, or you&#8217;ll be glad it did.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey you can always hope your experience is less the mentioned Brigham Young type and more the Abraham/Isaac type - as long as the Lord knows (or perhaps more importantly you know) that your heart is willing to follow wherever the Lord leads, He won&#039;t actually require that &quot;sacrifice&quot; from you. 
Here&#039;s hoping future temple trips are less draining and more fortifying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey you can always hope your experience is less the mentioned Brigham Young type and more the Abraham/Isaac type &#8211; as long as the Lord knows (or perhaps more importantly you know) that your heart is willing to follow wherever the Lord leads, He won&#8217;t actually require that &#8220;sacrifice&#8221; from you.<br />
Here&#8217;s hoping future temple trips are less draining and more fortifying.</p>
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