Comments for Soy Made Me Gay https://www.soymademegay.com Your "token gay" mormon blog. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:08:42 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.2 Comment on “I’d Like To Bear My Testimony”: Why I Came Out To My Entire Ward by … phantasms … « Second Star to the Right https://www.soymademegay.com/2008/09/id-like-to-bear-my-testimony-why-i-came-out-to-my-entire-ward/comment-page-1/#comment-570 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:08:42 +0000 https://www.soymademegay.com/?p=162#comment-570 […] people that I would want to know. At the same time, it would be nice to be able to take a step like Clint and tell my whole ward, I think, and in fact, know that it would be counter-productive. At the same […]

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Comment on My Secret Gay Agenda by 2008 Niblets: Rock the Vote Here! at Mormon Matters https://www.soymademegay.com/2008/10/my-secret-gay-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-569 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:49:33 +0000 https://www.soymademegay.com/?p=400#comment-569 […] Clint Martin’s “My Secret Gay Agenda” […]

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Comment on How To Support A Same-Sex Marriage Ban Without Coming Across As A Tool by 2008 Niblets: Rock the Vote Here! at Mormon Matters https://www.soymademegay.com/2008/06/how-to-support-a-same-sex-marriage-ban-without-coming-off-as-a-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-568 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:06:15 +0000 https://www.soymademegay.com/?p=76#comment-568 […] Clint Martin’s “How to Support a Same Sex Marriage Ban without Coming off as a Tool” […]

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Comment on My Secret Gay Agenda by Last Chance for Niblet Nominations at Mormon Matters https://www.soymademegay.com/2008/10/my-secret-gay-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-567 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:35:15 +0000 https://www.soymademegay.com/?p=400#comment-567 […] “How to Support a Same Sex Marriage Ban without Coming off as a Tool” Clint Martin’s “My Secret Gay Agenda” Julie M. Smith’s “Blood on the Doorposts” Kaimi’s “Answers” Ray’s […]

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Comment on How To Support A Same-Sex Marriage Ban Without Coming Across As A Tool by Last Chance for Niblet Nominations at Mormon Matters https://www.soymademegay.com/2008/06/how-to-support-a-same-sex-marriage-ban-without-coming-off-as-a-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-566 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:05:48 +0000 https://www.soymademegay.com/?p=76#comment-566 […] “What I would Say to my Bishop About Prop 8” Clint Martin’s “How to Support a Same Sex Marriage Ban without Coming off as a Tool” Clint Martin’s “My Secret Gay Agenda” Ray’s “When Moral Issues Become Political […]

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Comment on “I’d Like To Bear My Testimony”: Why I Came Out To My Entire Ward by Ronnie Bruno https://www.soymademegay.com/2008/09/id-like-to-bear-my-testimony-why-i-came-out-to-my-entire-ward/comment-page-1/#comment-563 Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:12:44 +0000 https://www.soymademegay.com/?p=162#comment-563 very well put

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Comment on My Secret Gay Agenda by American Yak https://www.soymademegay.com/2008/10/my-secret-gay-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-562 Sat, 14 Feb 2009 14:37:49 +0000 https://www.soymademegay.com/?p=400#comment-562 It isn’t clear to me that you aren’t taking sides in the Prop. 8 issue. (I know this issue is supposedly “over,” but I suspect it isn’t, we just haven’t seen it rise to a national level yet, or so that’s my speculation.) My comment, by the way, isn’t meant to provoke. Rather, I just think you clearly stated your perspective, albeit carefully, honestly (as you stated), and kindly. Still, to me it amounts to “your take” and perhaps bias.

I’m just saying. :)

I’m not threatened so much by the divergent points of view on the matter. I certainly am very much against institutionalizing genderless marriage by any form of law or governmental intervention. I view this ongoing debate as further confusion about the true value of marriage, with the initial heavy assault taking place during the 60s when “free love” undermined the value of marriage in society at large. I am a conservative in the truest sense of the word (you might call it post-modern), and a traditionalist of true principles, but…and this is where I have a more difficult time…

I’m also very liberal, in a sense that often evades modern self-defined liberals. My point being, I think one of the largest complaints I hear from gays in the Church is something to the tune of “you don’t understand us.” There’s probably some truth in the matter, and I’m not saying it ain’t true. I’m also not necessarily accusing you of saying this, per se, (I’m just saying :), but I’ve heard the saying enough times now to wonder on its preoccupation. Usually to the tune of ramming arguments at each other. I don’t feel like you are ramming at all.

I can’t speak for the majority of Mormons; I’ll speak for myself. I do understand most of the arguments in favor of genderless marriage, i.e., redefining a traditional institution for modern wayz (couldn’t help myself). I understand most of the asserted logic or emotionalism. The distinction between gay sex and homosexuality is clear to me; for that matter, the distinction between sex and heterosexuality is just as clear. Unfortunately, the language is a little muddled, and we don’t have clear enough terms for different manifestations. When we say “gay,” for example, it could mean sexually active lifestyle, or it could mean someone who feels a certain way but doesn’t want to be actively involved in promiscuous behavior—for most of society that distinction isn’t important.

I’m grateful for my gay friends, and—honestly—I don’t begrudge them any happiness. In all honesty, my take on what that entails is robust in a different measure than some of my gay friends—that’s to be expected. Hell (sorry for the swears), I have friends who are robustly different than me in many areas: politics, religion, culture. I suppose the thrust of what I’m saying here is that it can be a little tiring fighting over the differences, and even more tiring asserting “you don’t understand me,” or “you’re just wrong.” Granted this may all be true at different times and in different places. Certainly, Joseph Smith felt this way, Jesus felt this way, I imagine that you feel this way, I sometimes feel this way.

Not saying that I agree with you. But I’ve enjoyed this blog, if anything, for the tone. It’s a real achievement.

I’m just saying.

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Comment on How To Be A Gay Mormon Blogger by Fabiano https://www.soymademegay.com/2009/01/how-to-be-a-gay-mormon-blogger/comment-page-1/#comment-529 Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:17:36 +0000 https://www.soymademegay.com/?p=582#comment-529 Hi Clint,

I’m from Brazil (Maybe you know where I am…) and I’m dueling with the same things. I like so much your blog and thanks to helpe me to see this trial in an another way (the happy…).

Thanks so much!

P.S: Sorry for my bad english :D

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Comment on How To Be A Gay Mormon Blogger by Silver https://www.soymademegay.com/2009/01/how-to-be-a-gay-mormon-blogger/comment-page-1/#comment-513 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:04:02 +0000 https://www.soymademegay.com/?p=582#comment-513 Clint,

You are a brave and valued man. I have enjoyed reading your posts so much. If not through the blog, I hope you will still make your voice heard through other media. You will be missed brother!
Best,

Silver

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Comment on How To Be A Gay Mormon Blogger by Stephanie Banner https://www.soymademegay.com/2009/01/how-to-be-a-gay-mormon-blogger/comment-page-1/#comment-496 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:59:12 +0000 https://www.soymademegay.com/?p=582#comment-496 Clint-
I will miss you. I think you’re needed in our community. I’ll be honest, I wish you would change your mind.

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